Good analysis not knowing much except history, Joe. From a preliminary schedule dredged up off the internet today, it surely looks like The Chipster will be saved by the scheduling gods next year as well. Two points: (1) where does the AD Doo and/or the Chipmeister dig up these pre-season patsies? (2) Is this any way to prep for the Big Ten?
..and (3) [NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!] What's a Chanticleer?
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Saturday
Sep. 9
at San Diego State Aztecs
Snapdragon Stadium, San Diego, CA
Saturday
Sep. 16
Date TBA
NC Central Eagles
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
at Arizona Wildcats
Arizona Stadium, Tucson, AZ
Date TBA
at Oregon State Beavers
Reser Stadium, Corvallis, OR
Time TBA ET
Date TBA
at Stanford Cardinal
Stanford Stadium, Stanford, CA
Date TBA
Arizona State Sun Devils
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
California Golden Bears
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
Colorado Buffaloes
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
Washington State Cougars
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
at USC Trojans
LA Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles, CA
Date TBA
Utah Utes Football Schedule
at Utah Utes
Rice-Eccles Stadium, Salt Lake
..why are they scheduling games after The Toe Jam Tiff?
#1 - The Larch... or, adding an HBCU school was what could be done to replace Michigan when they bailed on the home-and-home contract...
(2) - Since nearly every true B1G power plays a Directional Michigan and/or some random MAC team, playing SDSU might be a more B1G-esque slate choice than most of us would tend to think...
(3) - A Chanticleer is Chaucerian Rooster (aka another/more erudite way of saying "Gamecock") and don't currently have much in common with Brave Sir Robin's heraldry, given their #23 ranking (and top 15 finish in the Covid year) who's three-year 28-3 starter is likely coming back... aka another dangerous "Group of 5 team" like Cincinnati and Memphis of recent vintage...
Thanks for the heads up! I know aught of the Midwest/East Coast sub-mid-major-level schools but am learning thanks to the new AD's beating the bushes to find these nuggets. (Meant sincerely, not as a dig.)
Coastal Carolina could surprise (given The Chipster's soon-to-be bare cupboard) granted. Their wins were against teams whose records were, respectively: 4-6, 6-5, 5-5, 4-7, 3-8, 7-4 (Marshall, always a decent powerhouse), 6-5 (App state), and 5-6. Still in all, as you mention, I'd not look past these folks NOR Sandy Eggo State. I remember back in my misspent youth, SDSU was crying to get a game with the Bruins - and that's when they were mauling their opponents -- but JD Doo (the then AD Doo) would not grant them a game because he admitted that UCLA had nothing to win and everything to lose.
Chips-r-us is entering what I like to call the "Chicago Cubs Zone": a baseball team with a paucity of accomplishments for a veritable century; they had two World Serious* wins four years before WWI and then finally won in 2016. That's a century long drought, old son. They coulda, shoulda gone all in on building ONE TEAM per decade to get better results. At that rate, it might be what Kelly's gunning for.
Otherwise he's phoning it in on the University of California's dollar. ("Mr Chips, white courtesy telephone, please!") and will probably start invigorating his COVID catering biz next year. Meantime, the immense tarps continue to cover *whole sections* of the Rose Bowl.
Actually, the new AD is only partly responsible for the current schedule.
Coastal Carolina was scheduled sometime in 2016 when Guerrero was still AD. At the time, UCLA was supposed to play Michigan on Sept. 2. When Michigan pulled out in 2019, the game date was actually modified to allow UCLA to play NC Central on Sept 16.
Coastal has actually one of the most innovative offensive attacks in college football. It’s basically spread-to-run triple option, and we’ve borrowed their concepts in several games. This game scares the bejesus and I actually think we could lose it pretty bad with our roster turnover next year.
Coastal is a very good team, I watched one of their games recently. Good system, solid team all around. They would be a handful for anyone. It could be UCLA's Appalachian St. so I definitely wouldn't call them a "patsy".
Because of Notre Dame - which plays teams from Pac 12 - long time rivalry games at seasons conclusion - have all but vanished. Gone are those days of Rivalry Saturday. 2023 non conference games all in California. That’s Chip Kelly. Pad the wins. It’s embarrassing.
Chip is one of the best in the game when it comes to offense and the run game. I still think that’s true.
But for God’s sake, shore up your weaknesses. The concern is defense and recruiting. Part of that will change if we make it to the B1G (money+exposure), but there has to be higher priority on recruiting. USC is one thing, but there’s no excuse for all of the skill guys here in SoCal heading to the Midwest and the South.
If McGovern can’t continue coaching, we’ve got to find an under the radar, up and coming coach on fire for recruiting and who could make us a unit dudes want to play for. I think Ken Norton could be that guy, but I’d like to see some quality hires that aren’t just UCLA alumni or in Chip’s circle of trust.
I just went to a game in The Big House on Saturday where the wind chill was -8... I think it will be years before either team is competitive in the BIG which is their dumb way of truncating BIG 10. Also imagine if we'd had to play MI and either WA or UT on the road. We'd be looking at 6-5 right now...
When exactly has UCLA gotten 5 star and 4 star recruits? Occasionally but it is far from the norm. This is not a coaching issue and it will not be fixed with a given coach. The problem is systemic and has been going on decades - if you were a seventeen year-old 5* player who can go anywhere, why on earth would you go to UCLA? (and could you get in academically? and could you stay in?) Is it the joy of playing in an empty relic twenty six miles from campus? Or effectively not being on tv given the pac12 network and constant 7:30 PT starts? Maybe it's the awesomeness of practicing on 70 years practice fields, TWENTY SIX miles from where you play your games. I mentioned this again because the fact is, the number of schools that matter who play in a stadium 26 miles away is zero, and that's NOT going to change. UCLA got to eight wins this year simply because of scheduling - much like Alabama they only really played four or five real games. Unlike Alabama, they lost all the rest. And to be fair, they got paid a lot less as well.
UCLA was getting 4*/5* recruits under Mora....we didn't always keep them, but he was getting some. Univ of Miami, FL plays 20 miles from their campus....is the one school w/ a comparable travel distance that comes to mind.
Unfortunately "some" (a couple is probably more accurate, and they didn't develop... and pretty much never a 5*) doesn't get it done. Not even close. As for Miami = not the bar. UCLA basically has no chance to compete playing at the Rose Bowl. Period. Everything is lost on that drive, $'s and *'s. Again, you need 5*'s to compete, UCLA doesn't get them and given the academic requirements and facilities simply won't. No coach is going to change this reality, It just IS. It just has been for decades. Repeat, no coach can overcome those hurdles.
Then end the program. It's as simple as that. You need the horses to win and if you don't have them, you don't win so what is the point of even fielding a team? Gone are the days of "moral victories", you either win and you are the Champions, or you are losers. There isn't any of this "they gave it a good try" BS.
I don't believe the Rose Bowl or lack of an on-campus stadium or a venue closer to campus is a major problem, you can still win. Previous UCLA teams have you know. Yes, in this day and age the dynamic is different, but hell even at Oregon they have to drive to the stadium, it is NOT on campus! UCLA can get 3* and 4* recruits and perhaps 1-2 5*'s from time to time, again they have achieved this in the past, but when you have a head coach that completely ignores recruiting entirely... it's time for a change. The really sad part is that Kelly really doesn't have to do that much, the damn campus/Westwood atmosphere sells itself!! This is 70% of the job and Kelly isn't doing it. Time for a change and although I agree with Joe's analysis, I still think it's the perfect time to dump this clown because at this point the program has no future; 66th in recruiting and 2 players in the portal isn't a future.
1. Oregon's football stadium is directly across the river from campus. There's even a bridge!
2. "The darn campus/Westwood atmosphere sells itself!" That's good... your delusion sells itself. 100% of data tells the opposite but you keep on keepin' on. Of course if there was a stadium in Westwood... Maybe you should go to Alabama or Ole Miss on a game day and then come back to discuss "atmosphere."
1.) Most drive to Autzen stadium there skippy, its 3 miles from campus. It's obvious you've never been.
2.) I've been to Georgia-Florida in Athens, Ole Miss-Alabama in Oxford and Tuscaloosa, Michigan-Ohio St several times (Columbus & Ann Arbor, Florida-Florida St, Stanford and Cal games, and of course U of O and U of W games and can't even count how many Notre Dame games at South Bend, including the 2006 UCLA-Notre Dame game and yes, many USC vs UCLA at the LA Coliseum long ago when both played there. Same atmosphere every single time when the opposition was good, or it was a rivalry game. Had almost ZERO to do with venue location, nobody cared. Now, who's delusional? Because it's not always about the location. I've also been to games at some of those same locations that had weaker opponents like Alabama vs Fresno St in 2017 in Tuscaloosa and there was NO "atmosphere" as it was a boring game that Alabama won before they stepped on the field. And of course, games like the 1975 UCLA Tennessee game again at the LA Coliseum where the atmosphere was absolutely electric. Of course, that was when UCLA football had good teams with solid coaching. You know, the good ole days, long past. So don't push this cr*p about stadium location, because that's what it is CR*P.
Oh, and I think you are the first person I've ever encountered, no matter where they come from of who they are to diss the UCLA campus. Very sad.
Wow, what a genius list... LOL. Given that there's 100+ players on a team every year... LOL. And even more importantly, let's look at (5*?) Rosen - who got pummeled behind an iffy at best line with no one to throw to and was repeatedly injured until season ending shoulder surgery. You think other schools aren't pointing out this repeated pattern? Would Rosen had been better off going to a school where he would be surrounded by much better players instead of the school where his neighbor was the coach? Every other school is saying, "why go to UCLA at b-RUIN your career?" Are they wrong? If you're a 5* who wants to play with the best and against the best, for championships and heisman's and in huge games... well, UCLA doesn't have that. You can say "elite" all you want, being elite is different and you need the foundation to build and maintain it.
Most 4* and 5* go to schools that are already chalk full of 4* and 5* players. USC, Alabama, Notre Dame, Clemson, Oregon, Ohio St, Michigan, Georgia, etc. Some of these players want to play immediately, not ride the bench for a year or two waiting for the other 4* or 5* players to leave. These are the recruits that can be a perfect match for midrange team like UCLA. So they can get some of these players if they'd apply just a tiny bit of effort, which they don't do. Kelly doesn't like recruiting.
Maybe. And this is where the transfer portal (if it remains close to it's current form) appears to be net helping a school like UCLA... but again, no coach has been able to overcome the foundational issues and it's only getting more difficult. Put another way, you can cry for a new coach and it's Chip's fault and blah blah blah, but Chip is not being put in a position to succeed. Maybe Chip's not focusing on recruiting because he knows it's a waste of time and limited resources. The next coach will see much the same... BTW, did you know there's a bowl game played in the Rose Bowl every year? Probably not since it's been twenty-three years since UCLA has been and THIRTY-SIX years since UCLA won. So keep on doing the same thing and thinking a new coach is gonna fix it.
Kelly isn't doing very well in the portal either, never has and never will. It's a form of "recruiting", you know the 70% part of the job he accepted when coming to UCLA but decided not to do. I guess you are pleased with a 30% job performance from Kelly. Hey, I bet there are a lot of people that would love to work for you, all they have to do is work 30% of the time! I guess that's "good enough". You keep on with the Kelly's and the Mora's and the Neuheisel's and the Dorrell's. Those are your types of coaches. So, let's see, Tommy Prothro (41-18-3 and a Rose Bowl win in 5 years) wasn't able to overcome the "foundational issues"? Terry Donahue (151-74-8 and three Rose Bowls in 20 years) wasn't able to overcome the "foundational issues"? Oh, what about Dick Vermeil (15-5-3 and 1 Rose Bowl win in 2 years!) Hmm, funny, seems as if their teams won a hell of lot more games than your boy Kelly and were able to overcome the "foundational issues". Didn't seem to bother them much. Heck, even Bob Toledo had more success! It didn't seem to bother any of them. Yea Toledo is a big stretch, but Toledo was one game away from a possible National Championship try. Kelly and Toledo do have one thing in common, both very good offensive minds but are totally clueless on defense. Toledo's defenses were almost as bad as Kelly's. I said "almost".
This argument is a little disingenuous. All the successful coaches you mentioned were dealing with an era before the BCS, before the playoff. It would seem to me the inability to adjust for the new era is an administrative problem.
Clancy Pendergast has been awful. He was awful when he was at $C (we gashed him quite a few times). He was awful handling these past 4 games. I'm surprised no one reported on this until the TV broadcaster brought it up as a passing comment.
Good analysis not knowing much except history, Joe. From a preliminary schedule dredged up off the internet today, it surely looks like The Chipster will be saved by the scheduling gods next year as well. Two points: (1) where does the AD Doo and/or the Chipmeister dig up these pre-season patsies? (2) Is this any way to prep for the Big Ten?
..and (3) [NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!] What's a Chanticleer?
Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Saturday
Sep. 9
at San Diego State Aztecs
Snapdragon Stadium, San Diego, CA
Saturday
Sep. 16
Date TBA
NC Central Eagles
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
at Arizona Wildcats
Arizona Stadium, Tucson, AZ
Date TBA
at Oregon State Beavers
Reser Stadium, Corvallis, OR
Time TBA ET
Date TBA
at Stanford Cardinal
Stanford Stadium, Stanford, CA
Date TBA
Arizona State Sun Devils
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
California Golden Bears
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
Colorado Buffaloes
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
Washington State Cougars
Rose Bowl Stadium, Pasadena, CA
Date TBA
at USC Trojans
LA Memorial Coliseum, Los Angeles, CA
Date TBA
Utah Utes Football Schedule
at Utah Utes
Rice-Eccles Stadium, Salt Lake
..why are they scheduling games after The Toe Jam Tiff?
#1 - The Larch... or, adding an HBCU school was what could be done to replace Michigan when they bailed on the home-and-home contract...
(2) - Since nearly every true B1G power plays a Directional Michigan and/or some random MAC team, playing SDSU might be a more B1G-esque slate choice than most of us would tend to think...
(3) - A Chanticleer is Chaucerian Rooster (aka another/more erudite way of saying "Gamecock") and don't currently have much in common with Brave Sir Robin's heraldry, given their #23 ranking (and top 15 finish in the Covid year) who's three-year 28-3 starter is likely coming back... aka another dangerous "Group of 5 team" like Cincinnati and Memphis of recent vintage...
Thanks for the heads up! I know aught of the Midwest/East Coast sub-mid-major-level schools but am learning thanks to the new AD's beating the bushes to find these nuggets. (Meant sincerely, not as a dig.)
Coastal Carolina could surprise (given The Chipster's soon-to-be bare cupboard) granted. Their wins were against teams whose records were, respectively: 4-6, 6-5, 5-5, 4-7, 3-8, 7-4 (Marshall, always a decent powerhouse), 6-5 (App state), and 5-6. Still in all, as you mention, I'd not look past these folks NOR Sandy Eggo State. I remember back in my misspent youth, SDSU was crying to get a game with the Bruins - and that's when they were mauling their opponents -- but JD Doo (the then AD Doo) would not grant them a game because he admitted that UCLA had nothing to win and everything to lose.
Chips-r-us is entering what I like to call the "Chicago Cubs Zone": a baseball team with a paucity of accomplishments for a veritable century; they had two World Serious* wins four years before WWI and then finally won in 2016. That's a century long drought, old son. They coulda, shoulda gone all in on building ONE TEAM per decade to get better results. At that rate, it might be what Kelly's gunning for.
Otherwise he's phoning it in on the University of California's dollar. ("Mr Chips, white courtesy telephone, please!") and will probably start invigorating his COVID catering biz next year. Meantime, the immense tarps continue to cover *whole sections* of the Rose Bowl.
How embarrassing is that?
*You know me, Al.
Actually, the new AD is only partly responsible for the current schedule.
Coastal Carolina was scheduled sometime in 2016 when Guerrero was still AD. At the time, UCLA was supposed to play Michigan on Sept. 2. When Michigan pulled out in 2019, the game date was actually modified to allow UCLA to play NC Central on Sept 16.
https://www.bruinsnation.com/ucla_bruin_football/2016/9/27/13084048/ucla-bruins-football-adds-home-date-with-fresno-state-in-2024
https://uclabruins.com/sports/2013/4/17/ucla-future-football-schedule.aspx
Thanks...and as Clio pointed out.
Coastal has actually one of the most innovative offensive attacks in college football. It’s basically spread-to-run triple option, and we’ve borrowed their concepts in several games. This game scares the bejesus and I actually think we could lose it pretty bad with our roster turnover next year.
Coastal is a very good team, I watched one of their games recently. Good system, solid team all around. They would be a handful for anyone. It could be UCLA's Appalachian St. so I definitely wouldn't call them a "patsy".
I don’t think UCLA has a high enough profile or would be favorited like A&M or Michigan were. But definitely dangerous
I actually read "Coastal Carolina Chanticleers" to be "Coastal Carolina Cheerleaders" at first lol
Will somebody please hand me the arsenic!
Because of Notre Dame - which plays teams from Pac 12 - long time rivalry games at seasons conclusion - have all but vanished. Gone are those days of Rivalry Saturday. 2023 non conference games all in California. That’s Chip Kelly. Pad the wins. It’s embarrassing.
Chip is one of the best in the game when it comes to offense and the run game. I still think that’s true.
But for God’s sake, shore up your weaknesses. The concern is defense and recruiting. Part of that will change if we make it to the B1G (money+exposure), but there has to be higher priority on recruiting. USC is one thing, but there’s no excuse for all of the skill guys here in SoCal heading to the Midwest and the South.
If McGovern can’t continue coaching, we’ve got to find an under the radar, up and coming coach on fire for recruiting and who could make us a unit dudes want to play for. I think Ken Norton could be that guy, but I’d like to see some quality hires that aren’t just UCLA alumni or in Chip’s circle of trust.
I just went to a game in The Big House on Saturday where the wind chill was -8... I think it will be years before either team is competitive in the BIG which is their dumb way of truncating BIG 10. Also imagine if we'd had to play MI and either WA or UT on the road. We'd be looking at 6-5 right now...
When exactly has UCLA gotten 5 star and 4 star recruits? Occasionally but it is far from the norm. This is not a coaching issue and it will not be fixed with a given coach. The problem is systemic and has been going on decades - if you were a seventeen year-old 5* player who can go anywhere, why on earth would you go to UCLA? (and could you get in academically? and could you stay in?) Is it the joy of playing in an empty relic twenty six miles from campus? Or effectively not being on tv given the pac12 network and constant 7:30 PT starts? Maybe it's the awesomeness of practicing on 70 years practice fields, TWENTY SIX miles from where you play your games. I mentioned this again because the fact is, the number of schools that matter who play in a stadium 26 miles away is zero, and that's NOT going to change. UCLA got to eight wins this year simply because of scheduling - much like Alabama they only really played four or five real games. Unlike Alabama, they lost all the rest. And to be fair, they got paid a lot less as well.
UCLA was getting 4*/5* recruits under Mora....we didn't always keep them, but he was getting some. Univ of Miami, FL plays 20 miles from their campus....is the one school w/ a comparable travel distance that comes to mind.
Unfortunately "some" (a couple is probably more accurate, and they didn't develop... and pretty much never a 5*) doesn't get it done. Not even close. As for Miami = not the bar. UCLA basically has no chance to compete playing at the Rose Bowl. Period. Everything is lost on that drive, $'s and *'s. Again, you need 5*'s to compete, UCLA doesn't get them and given the academic requirements and facilities simply won't. No coach is going to change this reality, It just IS. It just has been for decades. Repeat, no coach can overcome those hurdles.
Then end the program. It's as simple as that. You need the horses to win and if you don't have them, you don't win so what is the point of even fielding a team? Gone are the days of "moral victories", you either win and you are the Champions, or you are losers. There isn't any of this "they gave it a good try" BS.
I don't believe the Rose Bowl or lack of an on-campus stadium or a venue closer to campus is a major problem, you can still win. Previous UCLA teams have you know. Yes, in this day and age the dynamic is different, but hell even at Oregon they have to drive to the stadium, it is NOT on campus! UCLA can get 3* and 4* recruits and perhaps 1-2 5*'s from time to time, again they have achieved this in the past, but when you have a head coach that completely ignores recruiting entirely... it's time for a change. The really sad part is that Kelly really doesn't have to do that much, the damn campus/Westwood atmosphere sells itself!! This is 70% of the job and Kelly isn't doing it. Time for a change and although I agree with Joe's analysis, I still think it's the perfect time to dump this clown because at this point the program has no future; 66th in recruiting and 2 players in the portal isn't a future.
1. Oregon's football stadium is directly across the river from campus. There's even a bridge!
2. "The darn campus/Westwood atmosphere sells itself!" That's good... your delusion sells itself. 100% of data tells the opposite but you keep on keepin' on. Of course if there was a stadium in Westwood... Maybe you should go to Alabama or Ole Miss on a game day and then come back to discuss "atmosphere."
1.) Most drive to Autzen stadium there skippy, its 3 miles from campus. It's obvious you've never been.
2.) I've been to Georgia-Florida in Athens, Ole Miss-Alabama in Oxford and Tuscaloosa, Michigan-Ohio St several times (Columbus & Ann Arbor, Florida-Florida St, Stanford and Cal games, and of course U of O and U of W games and can't even count how many Notre Dame games at South Bend, including the 2006 UCLA-Notre Dame game and yes, many USC vs UCLA at the LA Coliseum long ago when both played there. Same atmosphere every single time when the opposition was good, or it was a rivalry game. Had almost ZERO to do with venue location, nobody cared. Now, who's delusional? Because it's not always about the location. I've also been to games at some of those same locations that had weaker opponents like Alabama vs Fresno St in 2017 in Tuscaloosa and there was NO "atmosphere" as it was a boring game that Alabama won before they stepped on the field. And of course, games like the 1975 UCLA Tennessee game again at the LA Coliseum where the atmosphere was absolutely electric. Of course, that was when UCLA football had good teams with solid coaching. You know, the good ole days, long past. So don't push this cr*p about stadium location, because that's what it is CR*P.
Oh, and I think you are the first person I've ever encountered, no matter where they come from of who they are to diss the UCLA campus. Very sad.
Josh Rosen, Soso Jamabo, Jaelen Phillips? lol
Wow, what a genius list... LOL. Given that there's 100+ players on a team every year... LOL. And even more importantly, let's look at (5*?) Rosen - who got pummeled behind an iffy at best line with no one to throw to and was repeatedly injured until season ending shoulder surgery. You think other schools aren't pointing out this repeated pattern? Would Rosen had been better off going to a school where he would be surrounded by much better players instead of the school where his neighbor was the coach? Every other school is saying, "why go to UCLA at b-RUIN your career?" Are they wrong? If you're a 5* who wants to play with the best and against the best, for championships and heisman's and in huge games... well, UCLA doesn't have that. You can say "elite" all you want, being elite is different and you need the foundation to build and maintain it.
Most 4* and 5* go to schools that are already chalk full of 4* and 5* players. USC, Alabama, Notre Dame, Clemson, Oregon, Ohio St, Michigan, Georgia, etc. Some of these players want to play immediately, not ride the bench for a year or two waiting for the other 4* or 5* players to leave. These are the recruits that can be a perfect match for midrange team like UCLA. So they can get some of these players if they'd apply just a tiny bit of effort, which they don't do. Kelly doesn't like recruiting.
Maybe. And this is where the transfer portal (if it remains close to it's current form) appears to be net helping a school like UCLA... but again, no coach has been able to overcome the foundational issues and it's only getting more difficult. Put another way, you can cry for a new coach and it's Chip's fault and blah blah blah, but Chip is not being put in a position to succeed. Maybe Chip's not focusing on recruiting because he knows it's a waste of time and limited resources. The next coach will see much the same... BTW, did you know there's a bowl game played in the Rose Bowl every year? Probably not since it's been twenty-three years since UCLA has been and THIRTY-SIX years since UCLA won. So keep on doing the same thing and thinking a new coach is gonna fix it.
Kelly isn't doing very well in the portal either, never has and never will. It's a form of "recruiting", you know the 70% part of the job he accepted when coming to UCLA but decided not to do. I guess you are pleased with a 30% job performance from Kelly. Hey, I bet there are a lot of people that would love to work for you, all they have to do is work 30% of the time! I guess that's "good enough". You keep on with the Kelly's and the Mora's and the Neuheisel's and the Dorrell's. Those are your types of coaches. So, let's see, Tommy Prothro (41-18-3 and a Rose Bowl win in 5 years) wasn't able to overcome the "foundational issues"? Terry Donahue (151-74-8 and three Rose Bowls in 20 years) wasn't able to overcome the "foundational issues"? Oh, what about Dick Vermeil (15-5-3 and 1 Rose Bowl win in 2 years!) Hmm, funny, seems as if their teams won a hell of lot more games than your boy Kelly and were able to overcome the "foundational issues". Didn't seem to bother them much. Heck, even Bob Toledo had more success! It didn't seem to bother any of them. Yea Toledo is a big stretch, but Toledo was one game away from a possible National Championship try. Kelly and Toledo do have one thing in common, both very good offensive minds but are totally clueless on defense. Toledo's defenses were almost as bad as Kelly's. I said "almost".
This argument is a little disingenuous. All the successful coaches you mentioned were dealing with an era before the BCS, before the playoff. It would seem to me the inability to adjust for the new era is an administrative problem.
Question: how many of those 27 seniors are expected to use the covid year and stay like DTR did?
Clancy Pendergast has been awful. He was awful when he was at $C (we gashed him quite a few times). He was awful handling these past 4 games. I'm surprised no one reported on this until the TV broadcaster brought it up as a passing comment.