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mgibby's avatar

Right. Cronin has never gotten fired.

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Tamara's avatar

Just because he didn't get fired doesn't mean he is a great coach. He is a good coach but not close to a great coach.

Cronin is stubborn. He makes costly mistakes due to his stubborness. We shall see how the rest of the season unfolds. But I doubt we will get a decent seed, and likely not in the West.

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mgibby's avatar

Great or not, if the dunce AD actually fired him, he would hire someone worse. Jarmond is cheap and clueless.

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Tamara's avatar

Agree about Jelly Jarmond 2.0

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mgibby's avatar

Why do people love to make negative proclamations? A month ago a 🤡 said the NCAA Tournament was doubtful.

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Tamara's avatar

We have very few games left. I said I DOUBT we will get a decent seed - which still leaves room for the possibility of a decent seed. I did not make a proclamation, I offered my opinion. That's all.

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Yes, I thought this unexpected, bad Quad-3 home loss really hurt the Bruins and their hopes for a double-bye in the conference tourney, let alone their potential seeding for the NCAA tourney. They saw what the Gophers did at U$C and came out with a great defensive effort, but then they unexplicably checked out of the game in the 2nd half. I've gotten seasick experiencing so many ups and downs this season, but have to remind myself that with a complete roster reload, this is like another "Year-1" season for Coach Cronin and UCLA.

Meanwhile, Go Lady Bruins! :-)

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"As of December 2024, Steve Alford's overall college basketball coaching record is 687-357. This makes him the 11th winningest active Division I coach."

Crnin needs nearly 200 more wins to achieve Alfie level greatness if total wins are the measure of being a good coach.

Also, Crnin's seat was blazing hot at Cincinnati.

Finally, is there a coach among your Mr. Rushmore of coaches who repeatedly brags about the number of career wins to validate himself?

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mgibby's avatar

Blazing hot at Cincinnati. What a bunch of horseshit.

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ArmyBruin's avatar

More than one thing can be true at the same time. Clearly, make free throws and win the game. It's also true that Cronin screwed the pooch in not playing Mara much more. With Mara on the floor more in the first half, the D allowed 23 points. Not on the floor in the 2nd and no rim protection, we gave 41 points. One could argue it shouldn't have been close enough to come down to free throws.

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My comments regarding Mara were more on his defense and rim protection. Minnesota attacked the rim and found their way to the FT line. Mara was stuck on the bench. They don't score 41 points in the 2nd half with Mara on the floor.

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Congratulations to Coach Cronin on achieving his 232nd career loss (134-61 at UCLA). The look on Hep Cronin's face during the TV broadcast when the Bruins were completing their faceplant said it all--poor dad looked visibly ill (I wonder if he's sticking around to attend the OSU game).

With only 4 more regular season games remaining, the players and coaching staff still seem unable to address a lot of their team's inconsistencies and individual weaknesses. But maybe I'm worried about the wrong stuff, according to Coach Cronin during the postgame interview (amusing, as usual):

"I'm going to say this again--because all we're worried about is our shooting instead of playing defense. I've been doing this a long time. I know when my team's mind is on the wrong stuff. Our crowd's mind is on the wrong stuff. Our crowd makes--they make it worse when a guy misses a free throw. I mean the stress in Pauley is crazy when a guy--'uhhh, uhhh'--I mean, the guy's not trying--how about help the guy? How about cheer for the guy? I mean it's not like he's trying to miss the free throw. That just makes it worse. Everybody's worried about the wrong stuff!"

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You can bet Coach Cronin would have delivered this sort of pep talk during halftime if the Bruins were down by 11 instead of being up by 11 against Minnesota. The Bruins' defense crumbled in the 2nd half and watched Garcia score a season high 32 points, with the missed FTs just adding to the misery. A very bad game overall for the players and coaching staff that just needs to be flushed down the toilet,,,

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Not much more to be said than Dimitri said. The last sentence highlights what I’ve said from day one. Can Cronin ever be a “great” coach. Some think he already is. I think he never was or will be. He had one really good season at Cincinnati. He’s had one really good season at ucla.

I don’t think cronin can create another good season, at least not without any 5 star recruits coming in now or in the future.

Many look at the runs in March to determine who is a great coach. The final tourney is a crap shoot though. You shouldn’t be hoping for a magical run in March to save your job. The goal should be for the entire season to remain a top 10 team year after year. There’s more intelligent people out there than me for sure, especially when it comes to stats… but I’d be curious what teams rank in the top 10 year after year for the full season. Who would be on this list? North Carolina under their old coach, duke, UConn, Alabama, Houston, Tennessee, auburn, Purdue, Kentucky, Kansas, Arizona, Illinois, Gonzaga, Baylor, Oregon, Villanova, Florida… I’m sure I missed some and I’m not saying they have a good year every year. It’s not uncommon for any of these programs to at least be ranked for most of the season. UCLA seems to be flirting outside the top 25 for most of the season. It tells you how much excitement is usually around the program for most of the season. It’s not enough in my book to manage expectations season after season expecting a magical run in March to “save” the season. You shouldn’t need March to determine whether the season was a success or failure, that should be determined prior to any conference tournaments looking at the season as a whole.

In my book, this is another lost season. A sprinkle of strong quality wins with a handful of absolute head scratching losses due to coaching failures is what this season is. It looks a lot like every other season. I’d rather enjoy an entire season of consistent efficient teams. Under Cronin, you’re going to get a roller coaster year after year with extreme highs and extreme lows. That’s not the kind of coach I will ever support.

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mgibby's avatar

Also, a lot of coaches won't take the challenge of coaching at UCLA because of the expectations of winning Championships.

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Bruinbaskets's avatar

I have said a million times as I said before… I don’t care about winning championships anymore. I’d rather a full season of consistent play and coaching through the entire year.

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mgibby's avatar

Maybe you don't, but that's the end all be all here. Cronin's on record saying that it's all about March here. They're 19-8, not top tier, but not terrible. A lot better than last year.

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mgibby's avatar

You know Idiot Jarmond would hire someone worse than Cronin.

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Bruinbaskets's avatar

Gonzaga is consistently ranked in the top 20 and usually top 10 for long stretches of EVERY season. Gonzaga has more 25 win seasons under mark fee than ucla will ever have again. Yeah, they’re in a crappy conference, but Gonzaga is consistent year after year with mark few at the helm. UCLA… crickets

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ArmyBruin's avatar

And Gonzaga is in a really difficult conference, right?

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It’s easy to look back and say we should have got so and so, look at how well they’re doing… you could point at guys like Nate oats, Tommy Loyd, rick Barnes, rick pittino, or even Shaka smart who has had his own run of poor seasons. We could all argue to the end of time about character flaws and why this would or wouldn’t work. Hindsight is 20/20 and neither of us get an opinion on the new hire anyways, so does any of that really matter?

That’s part of the question is who gets hired next and what does the hiring process look like? The current people in charge will make another shitty hire so it doesn’t really matter what I say or think. The problem I see is that none of the people in charge seem to care about the full body of work. I said from the beginning that cronin wasn’t a great coach. He took Cincinnati to the sweet 16. He had one season at Cincinnati that was a full season of success and consistency. He’s always struggled with recruiting 5 star talent. These were all notable flaws prior to coming to ucla. What makes anyone think that coming to ucla would change those flaws? Sure, I’m jaded, but it’s hard to look at coaches like oats and not wonder what could have been. Alabama is now a consistently good team with an offense that is amazingly exciting to watch. UCLA is middling program in the big10 that spends half its time being a boring defensive minded team to watch and the other half squeeking out 5 point wins against inferior opponents.

I’ll take Nate oats for $1000 trabek

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mgibby's avatar

LOL. Cronin beat Oates, or did you forget?

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Matt Garrido's avatar

So we are back to firing Cronin again this week?

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mgibby's avatar

It appears so.

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Bruin4ever's avatar

If so, then Coach Self at #23 Kansas (currently 17-9 overall, 8-7 and 6th-place in Big-12) should be fired after getting blown out by 34 at BYU.

LOL

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kingjim1954's avatar

Please no.

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mgibby's avatar

Debbie Downer.

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mgibby's avatar

Cronin's beaten Tommy Lloyd, Few, Altman twice, Gard, Musselman, Izzo this season.

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ArmyBruin's avatar

You don't need 5 star talent to win a NC. Most 5 stars head to the NBA early. In the current NIL and free agent era, that dynamic has become outdated. Now, when you have a talented, 7'3" center that is a work in progress and solid rim protector, sitting him on the bench is coaching malpractice.

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Cam's avatar

"There are a few things to point to in the aftermath of what feels like the most frustrating loss of the season for the Bruins, but I want to start with a bit of a contrarian opinion: UCLA’s offense was not the reason they lost this game. The Bruins shot 45.1% from the field in the game, and even in the second half when Minnesota staged its comeback UCLA still shot 45.5%."

Just looking at these stats out of context isn't really fare to call this a "slow but still efficient night." UCLA shot 5-15 from the FT line in the second half (33%). Missing 3 front end of 1-1s and missing both FTs at least twice. Those should been seen as empty possessions as well and really more than anything I think are the reason this is an L.

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Dimitri Dorlis's avatar

My point is more that people are always quick to criticize the offense in these situations, but if the offense is hitting 45% of their shots and generating a bunch of trips to the free-throw line, then it isn't the system itself that's the problem. There are obvious failures in execution (specifically with the free throws) but the offense itself was not the culprit here.

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Bruin4ever's avatar

This game seemed like a repeat of the UNC loss back in December, where the offense wasn't the problem, they built a huge lead (16 pts.), got outrebounded, and then failed to make their FTs down the stretch. The very next game they beat Gonzaga, so hopefully the Bruins can also bounce back and beat OSU and make Hep Cronin and Bill Walton happy.

Go Bruins!

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kingjim1954's avatar

I agree with you, Cam. Our defense our on a master class in the first half, our scores didn't score. In the second half Minnesota made adjustments which undermined our defense but still the offense didn't score

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John Gallagher's avatar

The, "Mighty Bruins", LOST to Minnesota? AT HOME? Perhaps you need to start thinking of a, "new" name for this site. Here's a few suggestions:. 1. TheSoftBruin 2. ThePaperBruin 3. TheFlawedBruin 4. TheFrailBruin By the way, as a WISCONSIN fan, the, "view", is only getting better from above you in the B1G Standings. Go Badgers!

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Tamara's avatar

Why do you feel the need to berate the Bruins. It just speaks so poorly of you. Yes, we had a bad loss and Wisconsin is having a much better season. You truly don't add anything of value so not sure why you are here.

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bruinballer's avatar

UCLA, we know what it's like to be winners. Guess Wisconsin is trying to deal with this new reality.

pro tip, John: Act like you've been there before and don't go posting on other team's websites

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E2148's avatar

Eat shit. How bad does it look that our “frail” team beat you guys three weeks ago?

Hope you have that same energy when the B1G tournament rolls around you cuck

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John Gallagher's avatar

Wisconsin's game AT UCLA was STOLEN from Wisconsin. When was the last time a team shot 51% from the field, 50% on 3's, and 86% from the line and LOST? The game was STOLEN from Wisconsin. And when the B1G Tournament rolls around, E2148, Wisconsin will have a DOUBLE BYE.

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E2148's avatar

LOL the cope is unreal and you have the nerve to post this bullshit on another team’s forum. FOH

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ArmyBruin's avatar

So you're not just a chicken shit troll, you're a whiny little child that can't accept defeat. And to add more to your legendary sour grapes bitching, you troll an opponents website because you have nothing else to do. How sad and pathetic is that?

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ArmyBruin's avatar

Wow, the Wisconsin troll is back again. You must live underground like Badger in your Mommie's basement. Wake me up when you hang a banner. You've got less class than an Arizona fan at McHale. Losing to UCLA must have really stung your pathetic little ass.

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John Gallagher's avatar

UCLA needs to hang a, "banner", at Pauley Pavilion that honors the REAL person that got UCLA most of their titles, SAM GILBERT. You know the old saying, right? If you're not cheating, then you're not trying.

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ArmyBruin's avatar

John, you clearly have way too much time on your hands. Your ignorance is a shining light to all the other morons who talk shit about things they know nothing about. You can't produce a fine wine with sour grapes. All you end up with is a whining sorry ass Badger.

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John Gallagher's avatar

Wisconsin (21-5) (11-4)

UCLA (19-8) (10-6)

Any questions, ArmyMule?

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ArmyBruin's avatar

And yet you're still on a UCLA site about losing to UCLA. UW having a better record than UCLA must be really important to you. I don’t even give one shit, let alone two about beating Wisconsin. I don't think UCLA has much of a shot in the NCAA Tournament. You know who else has no shot at winning it all? Wisconsin. Sit back and enjoy your irrelevance. It might be time to go outside.

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John Gallagher's avatar

Good for YOU, ArmyMule. You didn't get, "edited". I'm HOPING that Wisconsin gets another shot at UCLA, on a NEUTRAL COURT. I just LOVE how the dimwits on this site complain about Cronin. You FOOLS ran the two Head Coaches AFTER Wooden OUT OF TOWN, and BOTH OF THEM HAD BETTER RECORDS THAN WOODEN! And having a BETTER RECORD than UCLA IS important to me. And I'm ENJOYING IT, IMMENSELY! Can't you tell?

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Dimitri Dorlis's avatar

The divorce is really going badly, huh?

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UCLA4EVER's avatar

All of this analysis, particular about not playing Mara and Perry, is off point. UCLA lost because they could not hit a free throw in the second half and had they hit even 50%, they would have won. Perry and Mara were playing terrible, hurting the team, when they were in and to speculate that in the second half they would become productive is unrealistic speculation. Got to trust Cronin on that. This is not the first loss due to choking on crucial free throws and I would like to say Cronin has to work on that but I do not know how one changes chocking--hypnosis? Garcia who I think leads the Big10 in scoring went off in the second half just like Watkins did against our ladies and when somebody gets crazy hot like that, not much you can do about it--it happens.

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Chenalex's avatar

Cronin mentioned the fans during his postgame conference so I have to confess…

It was my fault. This loss is on me. There’s a ucla shirt I have from my college years where the team (under Cronin) has never lost if I’ve worn it except for the sweet 16 game in 2023, because even the magic of that shirt couldn’t overcome losing two starters.

During UCLA’s poor conference stretch I was in Asia, but I had that shirt on for most of the 7 game win streak, and yes it was in the laundry during the Illinois game but I didn’t think I needed to bring it out for freakin Minnesota. Bad foresight on my part there 😔

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E2148's avatar

That was awful. Minnesota’s coach Ben Johnson learned from our game against Indiana and shifted to a four guard lineup and got out in transition after misses. This prevented UCLA from getting into its halfcourt defense and made Cronin reluctant to deploy Mara for reasons I don’t understand.

Talk about self inflicted wounds.

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Tamara's avatar

Penn State just beat Minnesota, so that makes our loss perhaps even worse. Ben Bolch also commented that the loss is likely to negatively impact our seeding... Our team and its coach is the epitomy of an enigma... so frustrating.

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