We’ll probably do something at the year mark in July, but it’s hard for me to get too upset with Jarmond in either scenario. For the Kelly/Azzinaro thing, my sneaking suspicion is that Kelly has a ton of autonomy in coaching decisions baked into his contract, and really the most Jarmond can do is limit him to a one-year contract.
On the scheduling stuff, this is more of the last vestiges of a terrible Larry Scott regime that will be over soon. The move Jarmond should be doing is working with Block to install a new commissioner who understands how to not handicap the conference, but that’s not something we’ll be hearing about that often. Similarly, those groups need to insist on fixing officiating being a priority.
"I also haven't seen a player voice any support for Azz either."
If a handful of players like or dislike a coach, it has no relevancy as applied to coachng staff decisions.
Now if the coach loses the entire team, that's a different matter, but chances of that happening are miniscule. College athletes are not yet full fledged adults, especially in sports where the most talented upper classman leave early for the professional ranks. They don't have the voice nor the skill set to stage a coup.
I don't understand why you think it's incumbent upon Jarmond to air his laundry in public. Does he need to make a public service announcement everytime he has an opinion?
What is your beef about the reclassification of Stanford's Santa Cruz games as neutral site. Have you ever driven down highway 17 between Santa Clara county and Santa Cruz? By bus, it's at least 2.5 hours one way.
I would not be surprised if these so-called home games required an overnight stay by the Stanford team. Highway 17 is not the easiest drive in the middle of the night and especially with precipitation it could be downright dangerous for a oversize vehicles like big rigs and buses.
Let's not create a bunch of make believe problems for Jarmond. He's off to a great start. Try to appreciate instead denigrate.
I agree with you on most points, but Santa Cruz to Santa Clara is not a 2.5 hour drive. Even if it’s a hot weekend afternoon and beach goers are headed home... it’s not 2.5 hours. Sorry, it’s never taken me that long. It’s a one lane highway for a big stretch of 17. so it takes buses and semis the same as a standard sized vehicle. By google accounts at this moment, it’s a 51 minute drive... that’s a lot closer than a drive to the airport, waiting an hour to get on your flight, a 1 hour flight, waiting for a ride, getting on the ride and driving down to Santa Cruz from San Jose, sfo, or Oakland depending on what airport you flew into. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s far closer to a home game for Stanford then UCLA
I'd say it's easier for Stanford to get to Santa Cruz than UCLA to get to the Rose Bowl, so I'm more than comfortable calling that a neutral site going forward.
"Stop recruiting trogan all-stars to announce and officiate."
Sorry, you lost me there. What Trojans are you talking about? And what are all-stars? Are you confusing All-Americans with all-stars? Trojan All-American basketball players are about as rare and extinct as the condor.
Any of the bigger bodies, really. Wright was able to both blow past Campbell and bully him im the post, and putting Bernard/Juzang/Jaquez on him took away a lot of his attacking options. Tyger should be guarding the weakest perimeter player on the opposing team just as a matter of principle at this point.
Dimitri, Tyger's defense sucks, and that's putting it mildly. Colorado has no weak perimeter players except maybe the backup point guard. Wright will carve anyone up passing or shooting. If Tyger guarded Parquet and Parquet lit him up then what? This constant nitpicking about Tyger guarding good point guards is almost moot. It is what is. Tyger is the weak link of the defense and he has to play otherwise Bernard will do stupid crap like double dribble on a fastbreak. UCLA seriously needs a competent point guard who can shoot and defend, not only pass and make midrange shots and layups.
I don't buy this argument, because it doesn't seem to recognize that there are levels of skill among Colorado's players. If all of Colorado's perimeter players had the same skill level, then sure there's nowhere to hide him, but there are levels of skill on that offense that should be taken into account, and leaving Tyger on Colorado's best player was a recipe for disaster. If you switch him onto Parquet and Parquet is the guy who lights him up, then fair play to him, but that's a more acceptable trade-off than letting the potential conference player of the year be allowed to cook your worst defender at will.
I'll liken it to the Warriors and Steph Curry. Curry is not the greatest defender - he's gotten to the point of being passable on that end - but the Warriors recognize that he should not be the guy guarding opponents' top stars, so they put him on weaker (by comparison) offensive players. I don't think arguing that Tyger should get the Curry treatment on defense is that big of an ask at this point.
Not that they lost the game because of this, but once again the officiating was just atrocious. Large swaths of the game were nearly unwatchable. None of them seem to know what is and isn't a foul. The phantom double dribble on Jules when Clark clearly bounced the ball back to him was just absolutely brutal. These refs just flat out suck.
They actually looked to have played well for the first 33 minutes. Against a good team on the road with the roster they have, this isn’t the worst loss of the season. Perhaps a more disappointing one, but they can still recover and need to against Oregon
Dmitri, Tyger played well against Utah, not so well against ASU and Colorado. The common denominator is that those schools with extremely quick PGs will cause problems for Campbell who simply is a step or more slower than those guys. If we had someone with that level of quickness, certainly we could have someone other than Tyger guard them. We don’t. We had several players on him tonight at different times. Nobody shit him down. That being said, it was the turnovers and other areas you mentioned that cost us the game. They even allowed CU to call a TO on a held ball. The refs were atrocious.
At this point, that Utah game looks like a huge outlier from both teams involved, so it’s hard for me to take much positive from it. That said, while UCLA did put other players on McKinley who did do a much better job on him, and could force him to move the ball.
And on the flip side, the book on Tyger’s offense feels pretty understood by the better teams in the conference. He can’t shoot with any consistency, so staying back and bottling up his drives is an easy path to success. And advanced stats back up that he was the worst UCLA player on the court. He’s the only PG on the roster, so they can’t afford that level of play and hope to win.
I think the real barometer on this team is Jaquez. When Jaquez plays well, we usually win. Better teams seem to have figured out his game as well and have shut off his driving ability. Both Jaquez and Campbell are going to have to become better outside shooters. Bernard has outstanding moments punctuated by bonehead plays. It looked like double dribble to me, but he was also totally out of control on that play because he didn't give up the ball earlier as we had numbers. Even with all the deficiencies that have been pointed out, we were in position to win. It would have been nice to have more floor time for Cody Riley. With no inside threat on the floor, our offense struggles. With Riley on the floor, perhaps Jaquez can cut to the basket without the ball. Perhaps other defenders have to double down on Riley which give them a bit more time on their perimeter shots. Riley for 23 minutes and no Jalen Hill affects this team negatively in many different ways. It also puts more of the load on Tyger. And yet, the Bruins are still in 1st place.
I've been complaining about the officiating since back when it was the Pac-8. Basketball or football, it makes no difference. Shitty Pac-12 officiating is the gift that keeps on giving.
The only way to evaluate a team should be how well they perform against they’re own potential. If Cronin had SC’s roster and getting the results Enfield is getting, I’d be more concerned. How does that team lose to Utah?
I wish I had gotten to watch the game. The summary seems consistent with what has been seen most season. In the last game one announcer pointed out that when Jules scores 9 or more points the bruins are undefeated.
Tyger has his moments, but against quicker guards he’s an extreme liability on defense. If you play man he has to switch periodically. If you go zone, they will take it inside and score. I don’t know what the answer is and perhaps there truly isn’t one.
For large stretches of the asu game, Singleton played because tyger was in foul trouble. UCLA plays much better with Singleton on the court then people are giving credit. Singleton isn’t a point guard so the ball is taken up court by a variety of the guards which as I said against Utah works really well for this team. Enough of tyger walking the ball up the court and dribbling until 10 seconds left on the shot clock. It doesn’t work.
I wish mick would continue to give Singleton and kyman more minutes. Yes they are also slow on defense, but they are better equipped than tyger on the defensive end. Offensively, they open up the court foe the whole team because the guard can’t help on Jules and juzang driving due to the outside threat that kyman and Singleton are still the best 3 pt shooters. AND Singleton passes the ball down low. Jules and juzang refuse to do so sometimes. Kyman and Singleton both look down low ... again spreading out the court.
I get that tyger is usually the best option to win games, but the other guys need minutes for the reasons I pointed out above. Keep the other team having to transition their plans... otherwise it becomes too predictable and easy to defend
I can see that being another unfixable problem. Mac isn’t a threat to score down low and Riley can quickly get into foul trouble whether it’s the refs fault or his own. Without Riley on the court, the offense is going to be pretty stagnant.
We have significant holes in the construction of our roster. Cronin has squeezed a lot of wins out of this squad. His career has shown he can be successful with less than elite talent which tends to be exposed come tournament time. A lesser coach wouldn’t be in the dance. The real question is how will he perform with better talent? We won’t know that until our current roster turns over and he is able to bring in a higher level if talent. Until then, what we have is a team with holes contending for the league title. Patience is required.
True... Clark has been much more effective. Kyman needs another offensive threat on the court in order to get good looks. Smith being gone makes his 3 pt shot much easier to defend. Kyman doesn’t seem like the right fit for mick’s style of coaching but UCLA roster is pretty barren at the moment
The refs gave Colorado at least 5 extra possessions in the second half that they shouldn’t have - the Bernard double dribble when the ball was clearly tapped back to him, Campbells offensive foul which was an obvious flop, 2 phantom fouls on Cody Riley, and giving Colorado the timeout on a tie-up, a call that set Cronin off and got him a technical foul.
Finally watched some highlights. Tyger was awful on offense and defense. Team would have been better with him as the 7th man in this game. Extreme liability on defense, and completely worthless on offense. When he takes the ball up the court it is detrimental to the team being to be able to run a play. There is zero time to run a play by the time he takes 15-20 seconds worth of dribbling.
Baskets, you want to see Jules run point the majority of the game? Tyger had a bad game, I get that. Having clueless Jules running point isn't the answer.
I stated before that I liked the responsibility being shared by the guards. Singleton, juzang, Jules... they’ve done well sharing the responsibility. I agree that designating Jules as the pg isn’t a good option, but they’ve played relatively well without a true pg managing when Campbell is on the bench. It’s been relatively effective is all I was thinking
We’ll probably do something at the year mark in July, but it’s hard for me to get too upset with Jarmond in either scenario. For the Kelly/Azzinaro thing, my sneaking suspicion is that Kelly has a ton of autonomy in coaching decisions baked into his contract, and really the most Jarmond can do is limit him to a one-year contract.
On the scheduling stuff, this is more of the last vestiges of a terrible Larry Scott regime that will be over soon. The move Jarmond should be doing is working with Block to install a new commissioner who understands how to not handicap the conference, but that’s not something we’ll be hearing about that often. Similarly, those groups need to insist on fixing officiating being a priority.
"I also haven't seen a player voice any support for Azz either."
If a handful of players like or dislike a coach, it has no relevancy as applied to coachng staff decisions.
Now if the coach loses the entire team, that's a different matter, but chances of that happening are miniscule. College athletes are not yet full fledged adults, especially in sports where the most talented upper classman leave early for the professional ranks. They don't have the voice nor the skill set to stage a coup.
I don't understand why you think it's incumbent upon Jarmond to air his laundry in public. Does he need to make a public service announcement everytime he has an opinion?
What is your beef about the reclassification of Stanford's Santa Cruz games as neutral site. Have you ever driven down highway 17 between Santa Clara county and Santa Cruz? By bus, it's at least 2.5 hours one way.
I would not be surprised if these so-called home games required an overnight stay by the Stanford team. Highway 17 is not the easiest drive in the middle of the night and especially with precipitation it could be downright dangerous for a oversize vehicles like big rigs and buses.
Let's not create a bunch of make believe problems for Jarmond. He's off to a great start. Try to appreciate instead denigrate.
I agree with you on most points, but Santa Cruz to Santa Clara is not a 2.5 hour drive. Even if it’s a hot weekend afternoon and beach goers are headed home... it’s not 2.5 hours. Sorry, it’s never taken me that long. It’s a one lane highway for a big stretch of 17. so it takes buses and semis the same as a standard sized vehicle. By google accounts at this moment, it’s a 51 minute drive... that’s a lot closer than a drive to the airport, waiting an hour to get on your flight, a 1 hour flight, waiting for a ride, getting on the ride and driving down to Santa Cruz from San Jose, sfo, or Oakland depending on what airport you flew into. You can call it whatever you want, but it’s far closer to a home game for Stanford then UCLA
I'd say it's easier for Stanford to get to Santa Cruz than UCLA to get to the Rose Bowl, so I'm more than comfortable calling that a neutral site going forward.
"Stop recruiting trogan all-stars to announce and officiate."
Sorry, you lost me there. What Trojans are you talking about? And what are all-stars? Are you confusing All-Americans with all-stars? Trojan All-American basketball players are about as rare and extinct as the condor.
Corey Williams played at U of A, not SC for crying out loud. Not everyone who is inept is a Trojan.
So every team they play with a good point guard this criticism is going to come out, huh? Who did you want guarding Wright? I'll wait.
Okay, and if Wright just passed the ball to Parquet and Parquet lit Tyger up, then what?
Any of the bigger bodies, really. Wright was able to both blow past Campbell and bully him im the post, and putting Bernard/Juzang/Jaquez on him took away a lot of his attacking options. Tyger should be guarding the weakest perimeter player on the opposing team just as a matter of principle at this point.
Dimitri, Tyger's defense sucks, and that's putting it mildly. Colorado has no weak perimeter players except maybe the backup point guard. Wright will carve anyone up passing or shooting. If Tyger guarded Parquet and Parquet lit him up then what? This constant nitpicking about Tyger guarding good point guards is almost moot. It is what is. Tyger is the weak link of the defense and he has to play otherwise Bernard will do stupid crap like double dribble on a fastbreak. UCLA seriously needs a competent point guard who can shoot and defend, not only pass and make midrange shots and layups.
I don't buy this argument, because it doesn't seem to recognize that there are levels of skill among Colorado's players. If all of Colorado's perimeter players had the same skill level, then sure there's nowhere to hide him, but there are levels of skill on that offense that should be taken into account, and leaving Tyger on Colorado's best player was a recipe for disaster. If you switch him onto Parquet and Parquet is the guy who lights him up, then fair play to him, but that's a more acceptable trade-off than letting the potential conference player of the year be allowed to cook your worst defender at will.
I'll liken it to the Warriors and Steph Curry. Curry is not the greatest defender - he's gotten to the point of being passable on that end - but the Warriors recognize that he should not be the guy guarding opponents' top stars, so they put him on weaker (by comparison) offensive players. I don't think arguing that Tyger should get the Curry treatment on defense is that big of an ask at this point.
Colorado has a lot of good perimeter shooters. They're a tough cover to begin with.
Not that they lost the game because of this, but once again the officiating was just atrocious. Large swaths of the game were nearly unwatchable. None of them seem to know what is and isn't a foul. The phantom double dribble on Jules when Clark clearly bounced the ball back to him was just absolutely brutal. These refs just flat out suck.
They were dogshit.
6 minutes left and then the referees and the Bruins fuck the game up. Not happy.
They actually looked to have played well for the first 33 minutes. Against a good team on the road with the roster they have, this isn’t the worst loss of the season. Perhaps a more disappointing one, but they can still recover and need to against Oregon
Dmitri, Tyger played well against Utah, not so well against ASU and Colorado. The common denominator is that those schools with extremely quick PGs will cause problems for Campbell who simply is a step or more slower than those guys. If we had someone with that level of quickness, certainly we could have someone other than Tyger guard them. We don’t. We had several players on him tonight at different times. Nobody shit him down. That being said, it was the turnovers and other areas you mentioned that cost us the game. They even allowed CU to call a TO on a held ball. The refs were atrocious.
The referees were dogshit. Colorado pushed off way too many times and got away with it.
At this point, that Utah game looks like a huge outlier from both teams involved, so it’s hard for me to take much positive from it. That said, while UCLA did put other players on McKinley who did do a much better job on him, and could force him to move the ball.
And on the flip side, the book on Tyger’s offense feels pretty understood by the better teams in the conference. He can’t shoot with any consistency, so staying back and bottling up his drives is an easy path to success. And advanced stats back up that he was the worst UCLA player on the court. He’s the only PG on the roster, so they can’t afford that level of play and hope to win.
I think the real barometer on this team is Jaquez. When Jaquez plays well, we usually win. Better teams seem to have figured out his game as well and have shut off his driving ability. Both Jaquez and Campbell are going to have to become better outside shooters. Bernard has outstanding moments punctuated by bonehead plays. It looked like double dribble to me, but he was also totally out of control on that play because he didn't give up the ball earlier as we had numbers. Even with all the deficiencies that have been pointed out, we were in position to win. It would have been nice to have more floor time for Cody Riley. With no inside threat on the floor, our offense struggles. With Riley on the floor, perhaps Jaquez can cut to the basket without the ball. Perhaps other defenders have to double down on Riley which give them a bit more time on their perimeter shots. Riley for 23 minutes and no Jalen Hill affects this team negatively in many different ways. It also puts more of the load on Tyger. And yet, the Bruins are still in 1st place.
Jaylen Hands would have been a senior this season. I wonder how he likes playing in a high school gym in Belgrade.
I've been complaining about the officiating since back when it was the Pac-8. Basketball or football, it makes no difference. Shitty Pac-12 officiating is the gift that keeps on giving.
As a reminder, UCLA, Mick Cronin and Tyger Campbell are now 3-1 against Colorado and McKinley Wright. That’s not failing.
To people with unrealistic expectations it is.
The only way to evaluate a team should be how well they perform against they’re own potential. If Cronin had SC’s roster and getting the results Enfield is getting, I’d be more concerned. How does that team lose to Utah?
USC shot 37% against Utah. That was killer.
I wish I had gotten to watch the game. The summary seems consistent with what has been seen most season. In the last game one announcer pointed out that when Jules scores 9 or more points the bruins are undefeated.
Tyger has his moments, but against quicker guards he’s an extreme liability on defense. If you play man he has to switch periodically. If you go zone, they will take it inside and score. I don’t know what the answer is and perhaps there truly isn’t one.
For large stretches of the asu game, Singleton played because tyger was in foul trouble. UCLA plays much better with Singleton on the court then people are giving credit. Singleton isn’t a point guard so the ball is taken up court by a variety of the guards which as I said against Utah works really well for this team. Enough of tyger walking the ball up the court and dribbling until 10 seconds left on the shot clock. It doesn’t work.
I wish mick would continue to give Singleton and kyman more minutes. Yes they are also slow on defense, but they are better equipped than tyger on the defensive end. Offensively, they open up the court foe the whole team because the guard can’t help on Jules and juzang driving due to the outside threat that kyman and Singleton are still the best 3 pt shooters. AND Singleton passes the ball down low. Jules and juzang refuse to do so sometimes. Kyman and Singleton both look down low ... again spreading out the court.
I get that tyger is usually the best option to win games, but the other guys need minutes for the reasons I pointed out above. Keep the other team having to transition their plans... otherwise it becomes too predictable and easy to defend
We also played nearly half the game without Cody Riley on the floor. He was taken out of the game by the officiating crew that loved their whistles.
I can see that being another unfixable problem. Mac isn’t a threat to score down low and Riley can quickly get into foul trouble whether it’s the refs fault or his own. Without Riley on the court, the offense is going to be pretty stagnant.
We have significant holes in the construction of our roster. Cronin has squeezed a lot of wins out of this squad. His career has shown he can be successful with less than elite talent which tends to be exposed come tournament time. A lesser coach wouldn’t be in the dance. The real question is how will he perform with better talent? We won’t know that until our current roster turns over and he is able to bring in a higher level if talent. Until then, what we have is a team with holes contending for the league title. Patience is required.
Kyman has been horrible this season.
True... Clark has been much more effective. Kyman needs another offensive threat on the court in order to get good looks. Smith being gone makes his 3 pt shot much easier to defend. Kyman doesn’t seem like the right fit for mick’s style of coaching but UCLA roster is pretty barren at the moment
Everyone needs to play well for UCLA to win. They cannot afford to have three guys stink it up in the same game like what happened last night.
The refs gave Colorado at least 5 extra possessions in the second half that they shouldn’t have - the Bernard double dribble when the ball was clearly tapped back to him, Campbells offensive foul which was an obvious flop, 2 phantom fouls on Cody Riley, and giving Colorado the timeout on a tie-up, a call that set Cronin off and got him a technical foul.
I fell asleep with 5 minutes to go. I guess I didn’t miss anything. My couch is SO COMFORTABLE...
Finally watched some highlights. Tyger was awful on offense and defense. Team would have been better with him as the 7th man in this game. Extreme liability on defense, and completely worthless on offense. When he takes the ball up the court it is detrimental to the team being to be able to run a play. There is zero time to run a play by the time he takes 15-20 seconds worth of dribbling.
Baskets, you want to see Jules run point the majority of the game? Tyger had a bad game, I get that. Having clueless Jules running point isn't the answer.
I stated before that I liked the responsibility being shared by the guards. Singleton, juzang, Jules... they’ve done well sharing the responsibility. I agree that designating Jules as the pg isn’t a good option, but they’ve played relatively well without a true pg managing when Campbell is on the bench. It’s been relatively effective is all I was thinking