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Bruinbabe4ever's avatar

As graduating class of 2004 and 2013, my whole UCLA football fandom has been coulda, woulda, shoulda. After the the loss my poor husband got the whole rundown of how UCLA football has sucked.

Then the Dodgers lost. A lot of beer was consumed.

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ArmyBruin's avatar

After 4 years, we have moved up to the level of being an average team in a lousy league. Other than recruiting well, I still don't know why Mario Cristobal is praised as much as he is. I looked at this winnable game a little differently, because from my vantage point, we only had a chance in the 4th quarter of this game because Oregon made even more stupid plays than our Bruins did. Some have bemoaned Quentin Lake's offside penalty which negated his outstanding interception. That's fair. What's also fair, is why would Oregon call such a stupid play on 1st and goal from the 1 yard line? I can only imagine our fanbase if Chip Kelly had called that play. The Ducks also committed a number of stupid penalties. Now, starting after halftime, the Ducks fully took control in the trenches. We couldn't run the ball, we couldn't pass block, nor could we stop them. How did we get back. Oregon stupidity, in particular the final interception with 3 minutes left in the game where the Ducks were driving and running clock. We weren't stopping them. What do the do? Call a pass play to the end zone. If not for the unfortunate injury to DTR, there's a good chance we steal a game that should have been over, save for the stupidity of the Duck's coaching staff. It Oregon is the best we've got in the PAC-12

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ArmyBruin's avatar

(continued) then the league will not be relevant soon on a national basis. I, for one, would like to see UCLA at least get to the top of the PAC. I just don't see us getting any better than that, but we should be better. Do we need to get rid of Chip to do that? I don't know. I have always thought highly of Kyle Whittingham, but they just went up and lost at Oregon State. This is a league watered down in mediocrity that is poorly officiated. SC is looking for a coach as is LSU. WSU will be looking and we don't know how it will play out at ASU. So, who would be available? Is this job a decent job? Perhaps we should just dump Chip and move forward with Justin Frye. Make sure he dumps Coach Azz and tries to get a young, up and coming DC. Start looking at Jerry Neuheisel or DeShaun Foster to run the offense. Anyways, that's my rant and my spitball....accidentally in two parts.

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gbruin's avatar

Army, you are so 1000% right about the stupidity of whoever was calling plays for the Ducks. I posted about it in the game thread at halftime that hopefully Oregon would try to throw the ball deeper downfield because that was the only way our defense would have a chance to stop them. Lord knows that the 5 and 7 yard routes with bonus yards after the catch are there for the taking every single play, and apparently always will be. But there's something about the impatience or arrogance or just plain stupidity of so many coaches who feel compelled to do things their own way instead of what has already proven to be successful and sustainable and low/zero risk. So thanks to Oregon and their moron of a play caller for giving us a chance to get back in the game. An intelligent coaching staff on the other sideline would have won this game 41-17, giving them a better shot at squeaking into the CFP and making our decisions that much clearer.

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ArmyBruin's avatar

UCLA hasn't had a decent defense in years. For all the complaints about the offense and DTR, it's the defense that is the most consistently bad. Even a good offense is going to have dry spells. Our defense is quite gimmicky and once teams figure it out and they have, our pass defense leaks like a sieve. We have been unable for years to generate a pass rush from a base defense, which means we have to either play very soft and give up easy 5-7 yard plays or gamble and give up large plays if the blitz doesn't get to the QB. Kelly gets the blame for not replacing Azz 3 years ago. We definitely need change. It will be interesting to see what AD Jarmond decides.

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bruinballer's avatar

Some here have said that Kelly can stay if he fires Azz, but honestly, I'm tired... I've had enough of the Kelly BS rollercoaster. Fire them both ASAP, have donors pony up, and please find a decent offensive-minded coach (doesn't have to be a huge name!) who understands college football. Hopefully, if it's not a huge name, we don't have to break the bank (again).

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Peter P's avatar

I never questioned Karl Dorrell's or Rick Neuheisel's character, only their coaching. Kelly seems to believe in himself too much. He's slow to make adjustments, sticks with assistants he believes in regardless of the results, and thinks he can take "overlooked" high school players and win championships with them, just because he can. In a game that was poorly coached on both sides, just a few highly valued players made the difference.

ArmyBruin is right. This is the worst Pac-12 ever, and with a large group of seniors plus transfers, Kelly has finally reached mediocracy among that weak group. Despite horrible Oregon in-game coaching, they have those difference makers who won them this game. Sure, eleven out of twelve Pac-12 teams were going to strike out on getting Kayvon Thibodeaux to enroll, but one Pac-12 school failed to offer him at all, even though he's from Southern California. Does Kelly think UCLA doesn't have much to offer? We weren't even in the running at the start. 2018 season told us that.

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Bruin85's avatar

I remember when the basketball team was struggling, can't recall under which lame coach, some coined "Undisciplined Chokers Lose Again", maybe for the football staff it should be "UnCoached Lose Again", it's not the players. We have the talent, just not the coaches.

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LA bruin Fan's avatar

I agree with having the talent, and the players always look like theyre giving 100% effort. If it isnt talent or effort, its coaching.

I still think Chip has a good offensive mind. But if he stays there needs to be some serious overhaul on defense.

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LA bruin Fan's avatar

I think what bugs me the most is you got a school like ohio state- their d coordinator gave up 35 to oregon and basically had his playcalling taken away- after one game.

Azzinaros pass D has been in the bottom of the national rankings 3 years in a row, and no change.

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LA bruin Fan's avatar

That said, I do at least think this year, azz had at least attempted to give the team an identity of being aggressive and blitzing. But that came after 4 years, and he fails to make any adjustments in game once a team figures out the gameplan.

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Runfastandwin's avatar

It been what? 10 years since Kelly’s had a winning season? And as I recall he blew the NC (Alabama right?) by insisting on running up the middle play after play after play. I was against hiring him in the first place, nothing I’ve seen has me changing my mind. I would think some of the multimillionaire fans would get together and end this fiasco.

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Jeffro_TBS's avatar

As much as I’d like to see a replacement, we’re a year away I think. But I’m wondering who we should be looking at. Fickell is surely going to be the highest target for a number of big programs, so if he chooses to move, I can’t see UCLA as the destination. I’m not across enough coaches to make an informed suggestion, but would like to see some in their forties (or at least with 15 or so years left in their career get the job. I figure to build a reputation as one of the top programs that you need 5+ years of real success, and that’s on top of turning the program around. Ideally a strong recruiter and I’d say someone defensively minded as we’re certainly up for a complete tear down and rebuild on that front. I think D wins championships too.

I’d be interested in everyone’s thoughts on Scott Frost. He’s certainly struggled at Nebraska, but had quite the resume before that. Is he damaged goods or just in the wrong spot?

Any other names come to mind? Unlike Chip, maybe someone who actually cares about winning?

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Bruin Bro's avatar

Fickell as a coach would be great. Doesn't matter if other teams want him too. Only matters if our current AD can hook him. Remember, sports writers thought Chip would go to FSU.

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gbruin's avatar

Scott Frost is yet as another guy who was a successful coordinator who has failed as a head coach. The two positions are so different that it's not surprising that good coordinators/asst coaches often don't transition to become good head coaches. Here in my hood, the Denver Broncos are reeling with Vic Fangio, an all-time great DC as their Head Coach. Think of Norm Chow, Lane Kiffin, Karl Dorrell, and one Chip Kelly as guys who were very good coordinators or position coaches who failed as the a head coach.

Fickell has proven he is a top notch head coach and I would welcome him with open arms, but the Bearcat faithful say he is an Ohio guy would more likely wait for Notre Dame or Ohio St to open up before he'd come out west. Despite that, Jarmond better have him on speed dial and be making a run at him. It worked with another Cincinnati coach...

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Bruin Bro's avatar

Norvall would be a great coach to get as well. Did good with Memphis if i'm not mistaken.

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Jeffro_TBS's avatar

Had a look online to see who else might work. How about Jamey Chadwell from Coastal Carolina? 17-2 in the last 2 years after taking over a losing team. Only makes 1/6 of Chip’s salary at the moment. (Crazy that Kelly is the 12th highest)

The other HC I was thinking of is Jonathan Smith from Oregon State. They’re playing well and having PAC-12 connections would be good.

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Clio 98's avatar

Jonathan Smith was born here but he's an alum at Oregon State - he was the QB when they had Chad Johnson & T.J. Houshmandzadeh, blew out Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl, and finished in the Top 5 so it'd probably be pretty hard to get him to leave Corvallis...

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mgibby's avatar

Norvell isn't doing so good at FSU.

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Dimitri Dorlis's avatar

If you're looking at names, Jeff Hafley is going to be the first name to come up due to the Jarmond connection (Jarmond hired him at BC). Hafley was the DC behind Ohio State's dominant run there, and has recruiting chops. BC is in a bit of a free-fall at the moment, but losing your starting quarterback (and the backup early in preseason) is going to do that. He's still likely going to be the betting favorite.

Kalen DeBoer is going to be another early favorite here, with his success at Fresno State right up the road. There are more questions about his recruiting ability which can't realistically be answered considering his current location, but he'd be the local guy.

Tom Herman will get some play. Former Ohio State guy when Jarmond was there, is known for excellent recruiting, and put together excellent offenses for the Buckeyes. Had problems at Texas (who doesn't, really) and is known as abrasive, but he has SoCal ties so he's a legitimate option.

The name I'd really want that would make people upset is Lane Kiffin. Honestly, Lane got dealt a real bad hand at Southern Cal (got hired and was basically lied to about the investigation/impending sanctions, got fired for not having the Trojans competing for national championships while dealing with the sanctions) but he's an offensive savant in a way Chip Kelly can only dream of being right now, with the recruiting chops to match. You'd need to hire a good defensive coordinator and be willing to pay enough to lure him away from Ole Miss, but Lane is the type of coach that could win big here with the right support.

The biggest name options (Fickell and Campbell) don't make a ton of sense, especially since I feel they're waiting for Notre Dame and Michigan to open up, respectively. One name you could maybe see is Dave Aranda, but you'd have to be willing to pony up more than Baylor which feels like a tall ask at the moment.

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mgibby's avatar

I know he loves BYU, but Kalani Siitake could be a good get if he's willing to move. He coached with Whittingham at Utah, and BYU has improved under his tenure.

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Clio 98's avatar

Everything else about Kiffin aside, if Corral wins the Heisman and he convinces Arch Manning to follow Grandpa and Uncle Eli to the Grove, Lane ain't going anywhere for at least 3 years!

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BB88's avatar

They only got 55,000+ on Saturday. That game should have had at least 75,000+ but no one likes to watch a loser, especially a loser that normally loses badly. They didn't lose badly on Saturday, frankly because both teams were doing their best to give the game away. Sadly UCLA won that battle. They managed to give away yet another home game they should have won. To answer this story's question, enough was enough after Dorrell's 2nd year and its been downhill since.

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gbruin's avatar

What a great article.

What a sobering article.

What a sad sad article.

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Runfastandwin's avatar

Turns out the “missed” field goal was good. SPTRs…

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BruinMom17's avatar

I just read that story about the "missed" field goal online. What the heck happened there??

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gbruin's avatar

It's so true. Fans from other conferences all know how horrible SPTR crews are.

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BB88's avatar

That's the problem. This is actually a reviewable play, but since the UCLA coaches weren't afforded a replay they couldn't challenge the call.

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gbruin's avatar

Now I really need to see some replays. I remember seeing it leave his foot and thinking it wasn't a great kick. To go that far left from the right hash mark from a relatively short distance is a pretty bad miss, and when the SPTRs waved it wide, I assumed that was that. But I don't recall ABC showing any other angles. Wouldn't that be insane if they blew something as easy a FG? I mean, they missed so many PI calls that Fowler and Herbie were openly mocking them on the air from the booth, so why not go next level?

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kingjim1954's avatar

When we saw the bad defense come out in the third quarter, I knew it was over.

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Runfastandwin's avatar

As Mike Scioscia said, if we’d scored more runs it wouldn’t have mattered.

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WildcatBruin's avatar

Disagree. Program is headed in the right direction. We should keep chip but he needs to make a change on defense.

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WildcatBruin's avatar

What do you mean you don’t know how this can be true?

Your correct we had three losing seasons, but last year we were one game under .500 and lost those 4 games by a combined 15 points. This year we will likely finish 9-4 with a bowl win. In conclusion, we are trending in the right direction.

Those first two years he had a bunch of freshman and sophomores playing for him. (Only 54 scholarship players year 1) He decided to tear the program down to its foundation and build a new culture. I believe that was the right move. It takes time to build a program with the right culture.

Our 3 losses this year are all against good teams. Do you seriously believe we aren’t trending in the right direction? Was the final straw a 3 point loss vs a top 10 Oregon team?

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Dimitri Dorlis's avatar

The three losses are to the only good teams they've faced this year. They haven't beaten a good team this year at all. That seems like a problem in the show-me year of a coach.

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Jeffro_TBS's avatar

Yes, on the surface our record is better, but a Dimitri has pointed out, we haven’t beat any good teams. I think Oregon is way over-ranked based off one good win at Ohio State. As much as I’d like to see the PAC-12 in the CFP, Oregon will get crushed if they make it IMO.

I think the main point of those calling for change is that the ‘progress’ isn’t convincing or likely to be sustained. Consider this - the defence is atrocious this year, but every starter is a Senior, so I shudder to think what it might be like next season.

In talking about the D, it’s been bad for a while, but Chip hasn’t addressed it and I doubt he will before next year.

So, for me, a decent record against a weak schedule isn’t a reason for optimism. The crazy thing is with a half decent defence we probably could have gone 11-1, even 12-0 this year, without really having an elite or special team.

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bruinballer's avatar

My problem with this is that our losses are against "good teams." By definition, we are not a good team since we obviously are not on their level. That by itself is a condemnation of Chip's coaching. How many more years are you willing to give him, if he can't get us up to the "good team" status after all this time?? Also, IIRC there have always been inexplicably stupid play calls that played in to those 3 losses, which is also a direct condemnation of Chip.

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bruinballer's avatar

You can't just drop an opinion like this and not back it up! Please explain in detail how Chip has the program headed in the right direction, cuz I have no idea how someone can believe this is true.

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mgibby's avatar

Some people believe blowing winnable games at home and only losing by a little is progress. LMAO. Screw that. UCLA Football should be no worse than 7-1.

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WildcatBruin's avatar

Look at my comment below.

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mgibby's avatar

Is Arizona headed in the right direction? LMAO. And Chip will not fire his buddy Azzinaro. So bye to arrogant Chip.

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WildcatBruin's avatar

What does Arizona have to do with anything?

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